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Post by sirona on Mar 4, 2008 14:18:23 GMT -5
Hello All, Found this forum through another, and thought I'd introduce myself I'm owned by one speical standardbred mare - Goldie (Copper N Gold). I'm still trying to find out more about her past, but I do know that she was never raced, and apparently never trained either. It's nice to see some familar names, and a community that does not look down upon this wonderful breed!
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Post by Miss Cassy on Mar 4, 2008 14:54:42 GMT -5
Hello Sirona & welcome to the forum! I'm looking forward to seeing pics of Goldie!
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Post by Go and Play on Mar 4, 2008 15:01:30 GMT -5
Hi Sirona! great have you here! Does your mare have a tattoo #? If she does we can probably help you get some info.
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Post by sirona on Mar 4, 2008 17:05:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the offer My cousin owns a racing mare locally and has access to TrackIT and has managed to dig up Goldie's pedigree and such. I do not have her papers unfortunatley Yes, she is freeze branded on her neck. I'm interested in finding out about what her day to day life was up until I got her a couple of years ago. (She was 3 at the time) Is there a way to find out why she was never started? Or if she was trained, but not started? When she arrived it appeared she had hardly been handled, - she was absolutley WILD Anyway, I dont have many recent photos of my "Wooly Mammoth" but here's one from December Hope you enjoy!
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Post by Morning Star Acres on Mar 4, 2008 19:09:14 GMT -5
Welcome Sirona from another fellow NB member. Glad you stopped in. Your girl looks familiar.....I know I have seen pictures of her....I do beleive you emailed me once to try and get help in identifying her.......
I would think that she may ahve never raced because she would have not qualified or was not fast enough or endured an early on injury - I would think that if you knew who she was you could easily contact standardbred canada and inquire with them on previous owner or present owner and go from there - at least that is the best start as you could actually through SC get ahold of the owner and request papers to be transfered to you. as long as the horse is still alive the papers can be transfered as long as the previous owner is willing.
I think she is a pretty girl....
Welcome aboard... Keep in touch
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Post by sirona on Mar 4, 2008 20:09:26 GMT -5
MSA - Yes, I contacted you some months ago, Thanks Again! (Is it hard to forget a STB this color? ;D) On your advice I contacted SC, they were able to give me some info on her. Due to the privacy act however, I was not able to get ahold of the registered owner with the info they could give me.
Apparently she qualified for a number of races, but according to their records, she was never started. I have never had a soundness issue with her (and she has no evidence of pin/freeze firing etc), so perhaps she was simply not fast enough, or did not have the 'winning' personality. In the end, I guess it does not matter much - I am just curious.
***at least that is the best start as you could actually through SC get ahold of the owner and request papers to be transfered to you. as long as the horse is still alive the papers can be transfered as long as the previous owner is willing.***
- So SC would contact the registered owner on my behalf? Do you think requests for papers are generally well received? In conversation with a couple owners in Saint John, I got the feeling there is a reluctance to let go of the papers once an animal is sold?
Thanks!
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Post by Morning Star Acres on Mar 4, 2008 20:34:49 GMT -5
Our STB Mare Riverside image AKA Chilly - that's what we did - we needed to identify her and we did blood typoing - not hits - we then DNA - not hits - I was working on this with the help of Robyn McINtyre of STB Canada. We later took pics of her tatoo and markings and had missed teh identification expert for SC.
We later took more pics of the tattoo and bang we found her. Robyn contacted the last registered owner who is from Fredericton and he did not hesitate to sign over the papers and me be put in contactt with him.
IN some occasions they won't mind - other times they just refuse to.......
In my relocation is it up to the owners to decide whether papers go with the horse or not. We had one gentleman actually hand over the papers but unsigned - mare is retired from racing but if ever new owner wanted to breed to a STB stallion the registered owner would then sign the papers . But her new owner is not looking to breed...Just enjoy her new STB girl..
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Post by Go and Play on Mar 5, 2008 6:46:58 GMT -5
MSA is probably correct as to her reasons for not racing. They have to qualify at a certain speed in order to race. The fact that they tried to qualify her a few times suggests that she simply wasn't fast enough to qualify, and that happens. Also if she was a bit wild she was probably pretty hard on herself, and could have endured an early injury and they figured she wasn't worth waiting on. That's usually what happens when you see young horses retired, just not fast enough, or injured. I found a home for one recently that was too slow, and when she was asked to go faster she'd break into a canter. So, she never even got qualified.
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Post by CnG on Aug 13, 2008 7:58:59 GMT -5
I don't get to spend a lot of time online these days, and somehow my previous account got deleted (?), but I just wanted to say thanks guys for the adivce above. I managed to get in contact with the previous owner of Goldie, and he has agreed to sign over her papers to me (only he threw them away - so I have to request a new set - which seems rather an involved process?)
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Post by Go and Play on Aug 13, 2008 9:38:30 GMT -5
you can contact Standardbred canada and talk to them about transfering ownership. It's great that you found her old owner and they are being so good baout the transfer. Were they happy to hear she found a good home?
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Post by BigDreams on Aug 13, 2008 9:53:31 GMT -5
I believe for papers to be transfered to your name, you must be a standardbred canada member. I'd love the answer to that actualy. When I bought King they were going to tranfer his papers into my name but never did. I was later talking to someone who said I have to have a stbdC membership for them to transfer ownership, so I instead called one of the owners for a bill of sale. She dropped it off for me, of course she didn't sign it lol (guess bill of sales are new for them). So I really hate being a bother and don't want to call them again, but I want proof of ownership just incase something ever happened. Any ideas? (sorry for hi-jacking your topic!)
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Post by CnG on Aug 13, 2008 10:00:35 GMT -5
Yes, you need to be a member of SC to become the registered owner of your standardbred- if you contact them and explain your situation, they will be more than willing to help you out. As long as you let them know that you want the horse transferred for "pleasure purposes only" (i.e. not for racing) they will give you a discounted rate on your membership I think it's a fairly simple process to have the papers transferred as long as the current registered owner still has them. -- Maybe MSA can elaborate for us? My problem right now is in order for SC to provide me with Replacement Papers, the current registered owner of my mare has to sign and afadavit stating that the original papers were destroyed. The afadavit has to be witnessed by a justice of the peace etc, to it's a little difficult to convince him to do this...
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Post by CnG on Aug 13, 2008 10:03:19 GMT -5
UHSC:
The previous owner was escatic to hear that Goldie found a good home! (she was originally sold to a trader, so they had no idea what had happened to her)
He sold her because she was apparently QUITE a handful on the track, and was completley out of control. He was pretty blown away when he found out I was riding her etc, with no problems at all. He was even willing to sign the papers over so that I could race her (Which I'm not interested in doing - but shows hes GREAT to deal with !)
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Post by Go and Play on Aug 13, 2008 15:29:26 GMT -5
it can be amazing how much they change when they get away from the athmosphere and get proper feed and turnout. Mine is now the laziest horse i have ever met! lol I never got BJ's papers, but the man that gave him to me is a good friend, and I know he doesn't ever want him back. I know exactly where he was born and all of his owners, so I just don't feel the need i guess. He had an easy life compared to some of those poor horses that see 10 or more stables in their race career!
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Post by diamondwillow on Aug 13, 2008 17:48:29 GMT -5
That is true about how environment changes a horse, UHSC. Hat had a forever home with his trainer/owner family but he just could not settle into retirement living at the training stable he had raced from for 10 years. I was gifted him and can get all kinds of tips and tricks from his owners whenever I have a question. Like you, they don't ever want him back unless my situation changes and I can't keep him anymore. His entire attitude has changed now and he is a very 'chillin' horse now - he used to pace the fence until he had worked himself into a froth if he was not worked by 7am ... now he can go without daily rides and seems to ENJOY the day off!!
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